Rhonda Byrne discusses her new book The Greatest Secret along with featured teacher David Bingham, and Gideon Weil – Vice President and Editor Director of Harper One. Click below to watch the video or scroll down for a full transcript of the conversation.

Gideon Weil – Hello and welcome I’m Gideon Weil, Vice President and Editorial Director at Harper One and it’s my pleasure to be here for a one of kind conversation with Rhonda Byrne and David Bingham to launch the global publication of The Greatest Secret. I am happy to introduce Rhonda Byrne. Rhonda is the international bestselling author of The Secret which was a revelation to millions. Her new book The Greatest Secret is a powerful invitation that will dissolve fears and uncertainty and open you to a life of lasting happiness. Rhonda’s mission is to bring joy to billions, and I am pleased to also introduce David Bingham. David is one of teachers whose wisdom is shared in The Greatest Secret, he spent decades as a spiritual seeker before waking up to who he really is. It was in an interview where David shared his experiences of self-realization that helped spark Rhonda’s own awakening.

 

Okay, so let us begin with why we are here and what we can learn from our guests. Those watching now are likely familiar with The Secret. So Rhonda can you share with us the distinction between The Secret and The Greatest Secret and the journey from then until now?

 

Rhonda Byrne – Okay glad to. So, let me think, I always describe The Secret differently which is very nice. So, The Secret we learned that we create our life through our thoughts and through our mind. We learned that our mind is incredibly powerful, and our thoughts are incredibly powerful. And so, we can create the life that we want and so what we think about and focus on is what will show up and is what will experience in life. However, it works whether we want something or whether we don’t want something so whatever thoughts we empower those thoughts are the thoughts that will manifest. And so, The Greatest Secret is the way out of suffering, and the way to lasting happiness. And I think I should define what suffering is because sometime people think that suffering is when they are grief or someone who is dealing with pain or illness and just extreme situations, but suffering comes in the most subtle forms too. So all of our suffering comes from negative thoughts and negative feelings and we experience those things. One of things that The Greatest Secret does is it frees us negative thoughts and negative feelings. It frees us from things like uncertainty, unworthiness, and, oh gosh, fear, anxiety, stress all of those emotions that none of us like to experience, The Greatest Secret shows you the way out of all of those things and in their place to have lasting happiness.

 

Gideon – Love that. So Rhonda, David I’d love to hear a little bit about how you came to meet as that is connected to The Greatest Secret, and the journey.

 

Rhonda – okay

 

David Bingham – okay. Do you want me to begin or Rhonda?

 

Rhonda – Oh who do you want to begin?

 

Gideon – Let’s start with David.

 

Rhonda – Okay great.

 

David – I actually never set out to become a teacher, I was a seeker for many years then from the year 2000 to 2005 there was quite a rapid progression in the way my true nature was being revealed. I saw my true nature in November 2005 and there was a period of integration and actually The Secret played a part in that because The Secret was released in 2006 and what I started to realize is it was really important to make the transition relying on the mind and using intuition, and The Secret was actually a very crucial part of that. The process of integration happened over maybe a two or three year period, and then I was invited to appear on a program called Conscious TV where they were interviewing the people who had realized their true nature. And what came, as a result of that, is even though the mind following self-realization was saying, “Oh it would be wonderful to share this knowledge with people”. It wasn’t something I could do on a personal level. I did try that, but it didn’t actually work. I had to kind of just surrender, and as a result of that, people started to approach me, and so I realized that because our true nature is effortless being, we can actually learn to function from the level of effortless being which is allowing things to come to us rather than pursuing and using the mind to plan and use strategies and that’s really the way the whole thing unfolded. So, because it’s an effortless process it’s also to do with making oneself available. So if people feel inspired to approach me and want to discuss the nature of realization then you know I will always be available or I’ll certainly try to be. The amazing thing is that infinite intelligence will bring things to us and I think that’s one of the key things for people who are familiar with the principles of The Secret because what we’ve all learned from that is that there is actually an intelligence that exists outside of the mind, and that guiding intelligence is the crucial thing. So those who that are already familiar with The Secret are already a long way toward realization already because they already know that there is this intelligence which is way beyond the limitations with the mind.

 

Gideon – Excellent. So, Rhonda you were studying ancient traditions for years, you were continuing your personal spiritual growth and then you heard a podcast of David on Conscious TV. Can you speak a little bit about how that changed the trajectory of your development, and that moment and that conversation that followed?

 

Rhonda – So basically from The Secret in finding that truth of The Secret I knew there had to be more truth. And I just became the sincerest seeker that you could ever find because I searched 7 days a week from the time The Secret was released, and it was a wonderful search and I just went through all the traditions. Yes I did, and I discovered so many things, you know dazzling things, fantastic things, but none of them had me feel that I’d found the truth. Now because I was living according to the principles of The Secret my mind was predominantly positive and so I felt really great, and my life was incredible. It really was incredible, unrecognizable from what it had been prior to that and so I kept searching and kept searching and then there was an incident that happened, and it really wasn’t even such a big incident, it was quite a small incident, but I suddenly felt this very profound disappointment all in my stomach and I thought how I can I possible feel this bad when I always feel so good? So what I did to turn that around was that I just grabbed my iPad it was late at night and I went to bed and grabbed my iPad and I thought I have just got to listen to somebody speaking positively about the world and life. I noticed that they had an interview that it was an interview that had been done many years earlier with not a teacher but just an everyday person like you and I and he had been on a search for the truth for decades and he had found The Truth, The Truth! I was just beside myself I watched that interview all the way through, which was David of course, and then I followed in David’s footsteps and did what he did, he said he’d listened to a podcast and I went and listened to that podcast and I don’t even, and this was January 2016 and I loved the fact that David remembered when he sort of realized his true nature because I will just never forget January 2016. And I reached out to David to see if I could connect with him and he responded straight away, and I connected with him and he was so extraordinary. I get quite teary if I think about it. He was just so amazing, and he helped me see what was right in front of me, and that had been right in front of me my entire life. It is just the most incredible moment to see the truth of something like that, and so and I’ve stayed connected with David. And David is so wonderful to me, he said now you have to write a book and take it to the world. I was like, I don’t know if I can do that and so basically what I did was spent the next four years integrating it so that I could write a book that was as simple as possible and as clear as possible and one of the reasons that I’d taken lots of notes from teachers and I had a folder on my computer with lots and lots of notes but one of the reasons why I didn’t want to do anything to early was because I really wanted to have a simple path and do you know I had come across this two years earlier and hadn’t seen it. I had missed it. I missed it. So I was determined to write a book where no one would miss it. No-one. Everyone would experience it, and no one would miss it. So that’s basically what it took, and The Greatest Secret was born. There is that massive revolution in the book but over the next four years I discovered so many things about the truth behind the world. You know so much and it’s all contained in that book and it’s a fourteen-year journey that no one else has to take but I wouldn’t trade that journey for anything.

 

Gideon – Thank you Rhonda and yeah it is so fitting that David is here today for this launch event, being that key spark in that journey. As you mentioned there are so many incredible revelations in The Greatest Secret as well as practical practices really for putting those revelation into action in our lives. In the book you talk about the idea that happiness is our true nature and so if that is the case, what gets in the way of our happiness?

 

Rhonda – Haha! What gets in the way of our happiness is our mind. And so, we could actually even drill it down to make it even simpler than that. What gets in the way of our happiness is a single thought. And we have a thought and then we think that thought over and over and it becomes a belief and so we have a whole lot of beliefs inside of us that are operating all of the time and we cannot experience the world other than through our beliefs. So the world is not the way that we see because it’s colored by our beliefs. And those beliefs can always, I think I could say always, I was going to say usually but I think I can say always, are limiting, come from limitation and lack which is what we are not. So beliefs, thoughts, negative thoughts, negative feelings are what cover up who we are and happiness is our true nature. That is who we are, a blissful happiness actually, a happiness that is beyond probably what people have ever felt. Even when they got that very thing that they really wanted or that huge dream came true this is a happiness that is absolutely, oh my gosh, it is so beautiful, and so that happiness is our true nature. So then we just all have to stop and think well if I have that inside of me already, and we do, everyone single human being doesn’t, every single one, then why am I not that happy, and it’s the mind, the mind stories, being really tough on us, you should have done that, that was dumb, you know? All those kinds of things that the mind does, and we are just so much more than that. So yes, that’s why happiness, that is why many of us are not experiencing the happiness that is our true nature.

 

Gideon – Incredible. David did you want to add anything to that discussion?

 

David – Yes, I’d love too actually. I feel that the mind is given too much attention by human beings because we are actually led to believe that the mind actually represents 100% of our consciousness when in reality the mind is less than 1% of our consciousness. It’s just that there’s a misunderstanding about the way the mind functions. Because everything that we are always doing, everything that people are engaged in to try to see happiness they’re actually seeking their true nature, their seeking the infinite self, infinite consciousness. Well to give you a couple of examples for instance for people that enjoy spectator sports, if somebody goes to say a football match what they’re going for is to try to experience infinite consciousness, and the way they are trying to do that it, they want to see one of their players performing in a way that is way beyond their capability of the mind. You see the flow of the way they play, and it creates this sense of awe, and this sense of inner bliss, and that is really true of what most people are engaged in. So, whether it is watching a football match or whether it’s going to the opera or whether it’s watching as film we are always looking for that sense of heightened awareness which is beyond the mind and our true nature. In terms of creative people, the same thing applies so people who are writers they like to get into the flow where what they are writing is totally effortless and they are actually functioning from their effortless infinite nature. It’s just that they’ve been told that it’s the mind doing it but it’s never been the mind. And the same is true of whether it’s musician or dancers or artist or poets we’re always seeking to go beyond the limitations of the mind and that is what everyone is already doing but they don’t realize that’s what they’re doing they think you know it’s because they like this particular football team, or because they admire this particular musician or this particular writer but everything has the same motivation which is to experience one’s true nature. But the difference between a secondary mode of experience like that and The Greatest Secret is that The Greatest Secret gives you direct access to that. So, you don’t need any kind of intermediary.

 

Rhonda  – And David you know when you are were talking about it, I love when you brought up effortless being because it’s with the mind suggest to us all of the time that we should be doing a whole lot of action and doing and doing and putting effort and you need to do all these things to achieve in life and you need to be productive so the mind is telling us all of those thing when, in truth, in truth life becomes absolutely incredible when you let go of that, and you become effortless and then everything just appears just because as your effortless. Just as you said earlier with students and teaching that when you let it go then it all came, and I just think you know on my journey that I feel that everything in life is the opposite of what we have been led to believe. Absolutely everything. We are born and we die absolutely the truth is the opposite to all of that.

 

David – Yes.

 

Rhonda – And the other thing about effort is underneath effort is, I’m not going to make it and there is struggle under effort and there is fear under effort and also under effort is, I don’t have this. So that makes it really, really, challenging and yet when we are in effortless, the happiness in us arises. So yeah, I just had to comment because I love that you brought up about effortless being because it is absolutely beautiful.

 

David – Well effortless being is key Rhonda as we both know.

 

Rhonda – yes

 

David – Because the game we are all playing is really to experience the extreme limitation of human life as an opportunity to experience our true nature by contrast. So we having this experience of limitation and we feel as though we are bound in time and space and we are bound by the physical body, when none of those things are actually true.

 

Rhonda – Right.

 

David – And the way we can go beyond those limitation is by beginning to notice effortlessness more than engaging the mind making an effort and feeling as though we have to achieve things in time because it’s actually a kind of portal into our true nature. Our true nature is effortless and our true nature is also neutral so by, for instance by listening to the audiobook of The Greatest Secret, the best mode is to experience that in is a state of effortlessness, and a state of neutrality, because that is actually the basis on which we can see our true nature but also in terms of reading the book because when reading the book there are going to be lots of new concepts for people to take in, but the way to do that is in a state of effortless. So it is important not to allow the mind to come in and say things like, ‘Oh I don’t understand this’, or ‘I don’t agree with this’. You know the mind is basically a device which is for discrimination and judgement and it can be used in a very effective way. But it can also undermine one’s ability to experience happiness because once you recognize our true nature is infinite and it is also effortless then we can begin to align our consciousness before we engage in either, say reading the book or listening to the audiobook. While doing that we’re actually in the realm that we need to be to realize our true nature because the only space that we can realize that through nature is when we’re in the state of effortless when we’re neutral, when there is no judgement and when there is an openness, and when there is no duality because the mind is actually the dualistic device that creates the sense of oneself as being in here and the world of being out there. When really life is unity and we can begin to experience that directly and it’s important for people to know that The Greatest Secret isn’t just about learning those concepts, its realizing that it is something that is directly known. Self-realization is not just on a conceptual level it is really non-conceptual. Taking it really easy and listening to the text or the words and really where one is totally effortless, and the mind doesn’t need to try to grasp the meaning it’s more about just allowing and being really easy with the whole process and just enjoying it. The more one can enter into a state of joy relaxation and ease then the more benefit can be derived from this knowledge.

 

Rhonda – Yes because the mind sabotages us doesn’t it?

 

David – Yes.

 

Rhonda – It will do its best in sabotage us from discovering The Greatest Secret, make the greatest discovery we can ever make. I think they are really wise words because the mind can come in and certainly over the last four years that has been my journey of being able to distinguish there is the mind and not falling for the mind. I would just fall for it again and my teacher that I have in the US would say, well I would speak, and she would say, “Well that is the mind. That’s the mind”. And I’d be like darn theirs the mind again, and I fell for it again. Wow! It’s got a whole basket of tricks you know. The mind what is comes up with it try and distract us, they are really wonderful words for people when they are reading the book and be aware of those thoughts when they come in, I don’t really understand this, or I don’t really get this because in truth every single word in that book you know already. Every single person knows who they are, knows everything that is in that book. This is not news to you. So it is really a process of remembering. That’s what it is, it’s remembering who you are.

 

Gideon – Excellent I have so many questions for both of you. This is incredible. I want to go back a little bit to this idea about that we touched on. You know for those people who are you know living in the world today and there is so much anxiety and frustration and fear going on and in the book Rhonda in The Greatest Secret there is a really powerful discussion about the ways in which anger frustration, anxiety, stem from suppressed feelings. I would love Rhonda for you talk a little bit about the ways in which these negative thoughts and anger that are not coming from the outside but rather coming from inside of us.

 

Rhonda – Sure, sure. So, we if we experience any negative feelings, we only suppress negative feelings pretty well. So, if we experience a feeling of disappointment like I did or anger or whatever. I thought the disappointment was coming from the situation that had happened to me, but that disappointment was coming from disappointment that I had suppressed inside of me. We cannot experience a negative emotion unless we have already suppressed it. And for most of us we have suppressed these emotions when we were small children and usually it’s a whole gamut of them. So we have felt an emotion, we have suppressed it and what happens is in the world because these emotions are energy they create of lot of pressure and they need to be released so what happens is there will be a trigger that will happen in the world that will help us release like a pressure cooker release some of that emotions. For example, what we have seen with 2020 has been a lot of people, a lot of fear coming out of people, but that fear was already in everybody, you know, and they are experiencing it because of the circumstances in the outside world but the fear was already there. And so in The Greatest Secret you’re taken step by step on how you can release these negative emotions for good and once you release a negative emotion and I did release one, I released one around depression and I didn’t even know what I was doing at that time, it was just intuitive and I knew what to do, and so instead of resisting it I didn’t resist it I like welcomed this feeling, I kind of put my arms around my feelings. People might think that is really hard because we don’t like negative feelings, we push them away. We’re like we don’t want to feel them but that is how they are suppressed and they do not help our health at all and they do not help all of this we want to experience in life because they are acting as kind of  blocks in some way and they are covering over our happiness so yes of all of those feelings are suppressed inside of us so if you feel disappointment over somebody who said something to you, or hurt over something somebody said to you, and you are so sure that is it that situation that you just experienced that hurt was already inside you and it needed a release to release some of it but it’s still there and hopefully through The Greatest Secret. I mean I have done it. That has been my journey. When any feeling has come up, I have released it and it is high I’m telling you, oh my gosh, you just feel lighter and then you realize that all of these feelings were super heavy that you are carrying around. You know, really heavy weight and you just feel lighter and lighter and of course you’re happier and happier with everyone. And never will you doubt again, never will you feel unworthy again, never will you question yourself again, I can’t do this or I’m not good enough, they are gone. They have to be gone because known of those things are true about anybody.

 

Gideon – So yes there’s this common belief among some many that I’ll be happy when, whether that’s in a relationship or the right job or the right goal. But you write we can all begin with happiness from today right that it is part of who we are. So yeh I’d love to hear from you both, let’s start with David on this point.

 

 

David – so to continue along the lines of Rhonda’s conversation, the key thing to realize is that our true nature is effortless being and it’s also neutral and it’s also totally easy. So, what we’ve done is we’ve adopted certain concepts of limitation about ourselves and quite a few of them we’ve adopted from our family, you know their sort written in the DNA and what I’ve found with most people I’ve spoken to where there has been self-realization they’ve actually got, most people have actually got one or two beliefs which keep the idea of being an individual and being in limitation in place. It’s letting go of those which actually reveals happiness to us. Because it’s those beliefs, because lots of them there lots of conditioned patterns and we see our parents behaving in this particular way, you know we see our teachers, we see our friends and there aren’t many of them there are probably only five or six but they’re things like, I’m not good enough, there’s something wrong with me, nobody loves me, those sort of core things which can motivate our behavior and there also the things that we tend to do is, we tend to do a lot of effort to try and suppress those as Rhonda’s said, “People try to push those negative emotions down.” When really by being nonjudgmental about oneself and we can allow them to come to the surface and we can look at them in a totally honest way. For instances, my family conditioning was actually to do with inferiority, and the way that plays out, inferiority tend to manifest as arrogance and that’s how it was for me, especially in my teenage years because you have this feeling of inferiority and my family were just ordinary working-class people the sort of social structure in the UK, you know the class system, gives the idea that you are actually inferior. But there has to be a point for each of us where we realize, that for there to be self-realization there has to be a sense of total equality with everyone and everything in life because for there to be unity, there’s no hierarchy in unity there has to be equality and that is the thing we have to fully accept, so we have to fully accept equality and we have to full accept unity and we have to accept our infinite nature. And the way we do that, is actually by being conscious about the programs of limitation and Rhonda’s description there was brilliant. The thing about Rhonda actually when we first met and the first conversation, we had is that Rhonda didn’t actually have any concepts of limitation of herself. I think with all the work she had done through The Secret had eliminated most of those and there are obviously one or two still running and Rhonda was very fortunate to meet an amazing teacher a couple of months after she and I spoke and the benefit of that is that the process of integration has been overseen by Rhonda’s teacher and so that’s how the remnants of limitation have been released and how one’s innate happiness can come to the surface because it’s those concepts of limitation that keep a lid on the innate happiness that’s there. So it’s important for everyone, so everyone who has read The Secret and is actually in a more beneficial situation because they’ve probably already been addressing these sort of issues. You know issues to do with self-worth or issues to do with confidence and these sorts of things. The great things is, if anyone is listening to this broadcast is already really well on track because firstly they familiar with the concepts of The Secret and secondly they’re actually already acting on the basis of inspiration rather than of the mind. The reason they are here is because they have the feeling of joy and inspiration and likeness which has inspired them to attend this conversation.

 

Rhonda – Yes and David also there I agree 100% with the fact that The Secret people who have read The Secret it is really going to help them a lot, because one of the reasons to is because they’ve become aware of their thoughts and they’ve realized how powerful their mind was, in this material world, when they’ve realized how powerful it was and how powerful their thoughts were, the very first thing you do, I remember when I discovered The Secret I suddenly became of thoughts and up until then I was unconscious, I was hypnotized with what was going on in my head. And I also think with one of the things in The Greatest Secret it was a revelation for me, absolute revelation on my journey was the voice in your head is not you. That was just like WOW!  Because as I say in The Greatest Secret it sounds like you it’s very familiar it’s very familiar to you and knows an awful lot about you, but it isn’t you. I just think knowing that helps us stop identifying with it. I mean the mind is an incredible tool and incredible tool to create what we want. I mean if we just thought about what we want, all of the time, that’s all we would ever get in our life so it’s wonderful in that regard but it’s also can be everybody’s greatest torturer and I think that people would understand that with the year that they have had with the suffering they’ve had with anxiety and fear then they would know the kind of suffering they have been through in the tirade of terrifying thoughts that the mind has delivered up to them and they’ve been the recipient of that. I just think people can be free they can be free of this you can be free of this and it is not hard. It’s not hard you already have what is required you don’t have to go and get it anywhere, you don’t have to achieve anything, you don’t have to have a degree you don’t have to struggle, there’s nothing you that you have to do, everything you have, you are that already. And so, all it is, is just a matter of saying that. Just like a slight shift in perception, a slight shift in the way we look at things. I remember my teacher used to say to me, she would say, “You’re looking away, you keep looking away, and looking in the wrong direction.” And I would be like, no I’m looking at it, I am trying to look at it. I think that’s really great because once you see it once, you fully realize it. AH! Then life begins.

 

David – Yes. The teachers, I love every teacher that you featured in the book, I think they are amazing, and I feel really privileged to be one of those.

 

Rhonda – oh you are wonderful David.

 

David – But the variety of knowledge is amazing, and you know the total humility and commitment to bring this knowledge to the wider public is an amazing opportunity for us all. But just going back, two teachers featured in my own development, in the early days prior to my realization were Eckhart Tolle and Lester Levenson. So Lester Levenson, he’s really good at describing what you were just saying, which is that you realize the mind will manifest anything and what Lester says, he says, “If you look at the way you’ve created sickness depression and ill-health and adversity”. He said, “See how affectively you’ve done that and just turn that around and begin to focus on the things you want to create.”

 

Rhonda – Right haha!

 

David – he is wonderful in the way he exposes the subconscious programs of limitations which with all been subjected to and enables us to release them and because your teacher is a student of Lester, then you were really fortunate to have that knowledge available because you’re in the process of integration, we have to release those concepts of limitation, the sort of self judgement and that’s crucial because when you know that your true nature is neutrality and you know that it’s effortless you have to get into a position where you are on the level of the equality with all of life. So if you’re holding a concept of limitation which is either that you’re better than other people or that you’re not as good as other people, those concepts have to be totally erased because to get into one’s true nature, because our true nature is totally stable and it’s also welcoming in its own nature, we have to be able to align ourselves with the attributes of our infinite nature to be able to realize it. So, we have to create that environment in our own inner knowing to be able to do that so learning to just let go of those concepts of limitations are really important and that can happen before realization and sometimes it needs to happen afterwards because there is a residue sometimes. I think Eckhart Tolle is someone who is really good at teaching us how to remain neutral in situations of adversity as we know lots of people experience this year and that is why observing the mind because when we begin to notice we can observe our thoughts we realize we are not the thoughts and emotions and it’s the very act of witnessing the thoughts and witnessing the feelings that disconnects the energy supplied from those.

It’s our own energy supply that is feeding those emotions and when we are able and when we realize it’s possible to disconnect the energy supply we can remain neutral so in the current circumstances in 2020 the best thing we can do for ourselves is to remain emotionally neutral because that that will preserve our own health and energy but also on a collective level we are not actually feeding the collective fear and that’s really important, so for everyone, you know if everyone could realize that, the situation we find ourselves in collectively now would just dissolve. It’s only because we have collectively fed this, that we are able to dissolve that. Fortunately, it’s the thing that’s best for ourselves too.

 

Gideon – Beautiful. I think we could go on for hours and hours, thank you both so much. Just going back as we are winding up here, I think one of the things that I think is most, that I could say about the book The Greatest Secret is that it is this incredible distillation of ancient wisdom and when you read it you feel that power of these timeless truths. But it’s more than that because what Rhonda has done in this book with the help of contributors like David is, there is advice for the experience right now, and practical things that we can do to relieve some of those things that you were talking about the stress and anxiety and I think that’s really one of the most important take aways here it’s rare to have the combination of these incredible timeless wisdoms and these practical pieces as well. So, as we wind up Rhonda, I know that this book is, I think you wrote in the book I think it is one of the most important books you have written to date I just want you to share for everyone listening today and watching today of what your vision for it is, and your mission?

 

Rhonda – Well it was created to free people from suffering and to put the truth in front of them and hopefully they will remember, remember the truth. And it’s for everybody because you know when David speaks of self-realization and other word that other people might be familiar with than self-realization or enlightenment, a word like that, and people would automatically think well that’s not for me. The Buddha was in lightened and all these incredible beings were enlightened but it is fear because it is who you are already. I have such an incredible love for humanity and the courage we have to be in this physical world, and as David said, playing this game of limitation, I think it takes enormous courage to play this game of limitation. And I want people to be free, and to be happy, and to have and to be returned to their natural state, and it’s for those that are ready for that, and there are many teachers in the book and that is deliberate. Teachers with all different wisdom because different teachers speak differently to different people at different times and but what I do want to say is that every single teacher in that book has changed my life. They are my journey from The Secret until 2020, and so all of them have changed my life in some way or another, and so my wish is that it will change people’s lives too and they will find the true happiness that they are.

 

Gideon – Beautiful. David thank you so much for joining us today. Rhonda thank you!

 

Rhonda – Thank you David, thank you David. It’s so wonderful to see you, really wonderful. And I’d love to know those other three things you were talking about, at some point or another, that we’re not good enough, they were really amazing. Thank you David very much. Gideon thank you.

 

Gideon – I wanted to just leave and let you guys talk for hours and be a fly on the wall. You’re both so incredible so thank you so much for sharing.